russell. that's a problem on almost every sociolevel that we have in america. i mean, families fall apart. fathers abandon children, mothers abuse children, whatever it may be, then the children suffer. so in a free society, you're always going to have dysfunctional people and you're always going to have evil. always. i don't think a lot of people understand -- my mother, for example, doesn't understand evil. when i would tell her, hey, mom, i was in el salvador and i saw nuns get shot in the back of the head, she almost couldn't process it. she couldn't process it. you know. and i don't know whether we americans really understand the concept of evil. >> you're absolutely right that it exists. it and i can tell you that there absolutely are people, they may not be mentally healthy, they're sane and they choose to hurt others just because they want to and we have to wrap our minds around that and you're right, we can't make everybody parent the way that they should. society is not squander chances when we get them to intervene because the person has given us rea